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tv   Chris Jansing Reports  MSNBC  June 29, 2023 11:00am-12:00pm PDT

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we begin this hour with our continued coverage of the breaking news from the supreme court. striking down affirmative action in college admissions as we know it. any moment now, the group who brought these cases against harvard university and the university of north carolina, the students for fair admissions will hold a press conference, you're looking at a live shot. we're going to bring this to you the moment it happens. we're also hearing reaction from president biden who voiced his
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disappointment saying colleges are stronger when they're racially diverse. >> we can't go backwards. you know, i know today's court decision is a severe disappointment to so many people including me. we cannot let the decision be a permanent setback for the country. with me right now, "politico's" white house bureau chief jon jonathan lemire at the white house, and democratic strategist and former executive director of the new york state democratic party, basil, so jonathan, first to you, every time there's a supreme court decision we hear how consequential elections are. what's the fallout you're following here? >> you just heard from president biden express real dismay at the decision. he urged colleges to consider candidates backgrounds, races, ethnicities when it comes to institutions of higher learning.
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he was asked as he was leaving the room there after making his statement, he was asked by a reporter if this was a rogue court, meaning the supreme court, and he paused and he said, well, this is not a normal court. he went that way, and he then ignored questions as to whether supreme court justices should be term limited. there are a lot of democrats who are deeply frustrated, donald trump spent four years in office, twice impeached and appointed three supreme court justices, the three all ruled with the majority here. this is something that the white house knew was coming. this had been signalled for a time. it was greeted with dismay, and of course he'll be on msnbc later today with our friend nicolle wallace, and he'll have more to say then. >> basil, what's your reaction to the decision and the potential impact? >> well, i have to say there are
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going to be a lot of black folks like me on television talking about this issue. i asked how likely would it be for us to be on tv talking to you were it not for affirmative action. i think about that a lot. i think about the fact that i did my 30th reunion as a cornell graduate, and how a lot of the black students that i graduated with still talk about how isolating and tough that experience was and how we had to band together just to get through it. i worry about the next generation having it significantly harder now because of this decision. i worry also about the pipeline because it's about young people going from high school to college. it's the college-to-career transition, but it's also about contracting because this opens the door for race to be taken out of even opportunities to create intergenerational wealth through something like contracting, for all the minority-owned businesses, how is this going to keep black
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businesses from getting lucrative government contracts to be able to take care of the families in their communities. i think about all of that, and so all of these different pieces of black life are affected by in decision. and it's something that, you know, as we think about the political ramifications of this, yes, we've known this was coming for a long time, as jonathan said, you know, the election of donald trump put so much of this into motion and in the immediate time frame, but going forward, we have to hold every elected official, every institution accountable for how they're going to take steps to correct this, if not through the judiciary, but through their own intentional action. >> jonathan, basil, i want you to stick around if you can because the founder for students for fair admissions, edward bloom is discussing the end to what he calls the end to
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discriminatory practices. >> i'm going to read that again, it does not give special treatment to any citizen. it does say the only limit to a man's hope for happiness and for the future of his children shall be his own ability. beginning today, america's colleges and universities have a legal and moral obligation to strictly abide by the supreme court's opinion. these obligations compel the removal of all racial and ethnic classification boxes from undergraduate and post graduate application forms. furthermore, the administrators of higher education must note, the law will not tolerate direct proxies for racial classifications. for those in leadership positions at public and private
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universities, you have an obligation to follow the letter and the spirit of the law. for decades our nation's most elite universities have given preferences to the children of alumni, faculty and staff, athletes, and most notably, substantial donors. these preferences have been vigorously defended by these exclusive schools even though court records reveal that they have diminished individualized student diversity at nearly every competitive university in the country. the elimination of these preferences is long overdue. and sffa hopes these opinions will compel higher education institutions to end these practices. looking ahead at the upcoming admissions cycle, sffa and its
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counsel have been closely monitoring the changes in admissions procedures should the court reach a decision like the one today. we remain vigilant and intend to initiate litigation should universities defiantly flout this clear ruling and the dictates of title 6 and the equal protection clause. >> that was edward bloom speaking right now, he is the founder of students for fair admissions, the organization that brought these two lawsuits before the supreme court, so basil, given what we just heard there, i want to read a little bit from justice jackson's dissent in which he says in the unc case, to demand that colleges ignore race in today's admissions practices and thus disregard the fact that racial disparities may have mattered for where some applicants find themselves today is not only an affront to the dignity of those
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students for whom race matters, it also condemns our society to never escape the past that explains how and why race matters to the very concept of who "merit" admission. how do you square what she's saying with what we just heard on our air right now? >> where if you ever want evidence of how race matters in our country, just go back and look at the video of george floyd dying at the knee of a police officer or eric garner being choked out. that's the legacy of race in our country, manifested in one way, and there are multiple ways. as was being said at the podium about this would take away the legacy admissions and that they would play no matter. i actually think that that's such a naive, almost idiotic statement because what's to say that those wealthy individuals are not sending their kids to
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the wealthiest private schools, getting all of that very exclusive tutoring, have access to individuals and resources to build their capital so by the time they are applying for college, they are far ahead of any student who might be smart, incredibly talent, but doesn't have that access, that wealth, and doesn't have that privilege, and that's what i think the dissenters in this case were talking about. it's that it's not just at the point of college acceptance, it goes so much further back in the lives of people of color particularly african americans in this country, and that is something that the majority of the court has failed to acknowledge. >> i want to bring in julia ainsley into the conversation. you are in a new spot since we talked to you last hour. of course there was an ongoing security situation there, when you can brief us on if you want, but on the update there. julia, if you can break down a seismic decision n what we just
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heard from edward bloom is we're watching closely the next cycle, presumably students in the fall know where they're going, but maybe the winter session, they're watching to see what schools and universities do now. >> reporter: that's right, and of course some of the graduate schools can take students at different quarters. the impact is large and happening now. a quick update on the security situation. they are still looking into that suspicious package, and we'll keep you updated on that. we have been moved further and further back. the supreme court is right behind me. no one can even get close to it. we're further back than being across the street now. we'll continue to bring you updates on that. yes, this will have seismic impacts even though there are windows left in the majority opinion by justice roberts saying that if someone wants to talk about race in their essay, that could be considered if there's a chance of discrimination in their lives.
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that is part of the applicant, this could change a lot of things, students applying to undergraduate programs next year, law schools, journalism schools. this isn't just specific to the undergraduate admissions project, and it could have an impact on the military, how west point recruits, we have seen the american medical association said this could have an impact on public health in terms of how the next generation of doctors are selected and how important it is to have people of different racial backgrounds who are seeing you as your physician when you go get a checkup, and right now, though, i wanted to bring your attention to someone i just spoke to, sarah zhang, a rising junior at unc, she has an internship on the hill, very smart, she worked very hard to get into unc. she sees this as a devastating decision, because being in class with people of different backgrounds is critical to her education.
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here's what she had to say. >> i think it's really unfair for a lot of asian americans in the asian american community to say this is unfair because my child isn't getting into a great school. obviously it's frustrating to not get where you want to go in school, those spots given to deserving people coming from low income communities, historically resilient spaces where higher education is their way out. >> reporter: sarah told me that the high school she went to in pennsylvania had less than 1% black student makeup, and that she was glad to go to a school like unc where she could be around people of different races, religions, socioeconomic backgrounds, and she said that though she is asian american, she doesn't join in with some of the asian american student associations that went against harvard and unc in these lawsuits challenging affirmative action, and she says this is a real loss today. >> interesting interview, thank you for bringing that perspective. we were talking about what
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president biden said earlier today about the decision. let's go ahead and play some of it. >> is this a rogue court? >> this is not a normal court. >> jonathan, you had mentioned that -- and is it striking that he's making a comment like that, this is not a normal court. what tone is he hitting there? >> for president biden, that's pretty strong language, he fancied himself an institutionalist. we heard him defend things like the united states senate and the supreme court for years now, and his role in the senate as vice president and now as president of the united states, that he is someone who believes americans need to have their faith restored in institutions of government, particularly after the four years of donald trump. he was sharply critical today just as he was a year ago, and the supreme court handed down the dobbs decision that overturned roe v. wade and those federal abortion protections. let's recall, this is after trump as we mentioned earlier was able to appoint three
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justices. this president, president biden, formed a commission to examine whether or not perhaps term limits, whether a president should be able to expand the court, not necessarily pack it in that language but to add more than nine justices. that commission didn't go anywhere, didn't offer much in the way of recommendations and was quietly tucked away into a desk drawer. in the wake of this one, there will be more questions from democrats about the future of the supreme court. at least right now, the president has been reluctant to take those sorts of actions. he, instead, of course was able to appoint one justice himself. we'll see if he has time to appoint others in this term or next if he were to be reelected. they're looking to see if there's any executive lever to be pulled on this issue, but largely this is out of their hands. the president is not going to be able to do much to voice his frustration today, and take it to the campaign trail. why more democrats need to be elected and why he should get a
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second term to appoint more supreme court justices perhaps. >> julia, obviously we expected this to be a busy week, the end of the session. there was a ruling in the court in groth versus dejoy, what can you tell us about that? >> that was a case where a postal worker opposed working on a sunday saying that was a burden on him religiously. of course the post office, the postal worker said it's a burden on other employees if that one person gets a day off, but the court decided not to rule on that. they vacated the decision, sent it back to lower court. now all eyes are on tomorrow, talking about executive actions, one of president biden's landmark actions in congress has been his student loan forgiveness program which has been put on hold by the lower courts, and we'll see tomorrow if the supreme court says that that can go forward, that he can forgive up to $20,000 in student loan debt or worst case scenario, the secretary of
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education simply doesn't have the authority to forgive that kind of debt or a middle ground approach where they could say the way that the biden administration went about forgiving the student loans, it violated the administrative procedures act, and they need to go back to the drawing board, get more comment and do this a different way. we are still not done here. we know tomorrow is the last day. we'll be back here at 10:00 a.m. for more decisions, and hopefully at that point, we'll figure out what's going on behind me, and we can actually get up to the court. >> julia ainsley, thank you so much, you and your crew who have moved multiple times to bring us the latest. basil, you're going to stick around, we'll see you later. the group, students for fair admissions, how today's ruling might be revealed across the country, and how it will play into the next election. we're back in 60 seconds. we're back in 60 seconds
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affirmative action. how does that square with how americans feel about the admissions policy. data is mixed. an nbc news poll from political showed 53% of people supported affirmative action, 42% opposed it. joining us now, symone sanders townsend, and former chief spokesperson for vice president harris. i think what's interesting about this polling, too, is it differs when you ask people of different races here. so as someone who led campaign messaging here, how do you galvanize all voters on an issue like this? >> well, look, i am really just at a loss for words today. i think that much like when over a year ago, it provided implications for families and people all over this country, the decision we saw from the supreme court on affirmative
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action, and frankly, the decisions tomorrow we're expected to see on student loans and the 303 creative case, just for two of those will also have real live implications. the way to motivate people is to talk about the facts, people's stories and frankly, every person in america who is either a person of color, a woman, a person who is of a background, who has ever been counted out or disadvantaged, if you will, they have a story to tell, and a story that relates to what we saw from the supreme court today. this is absolutely devastating. this will affect people across the country. and i hope we get an opportunity to break down this color blind term that we continue to hear today from folks such as supreme court justices like justice thomas, but also vice president mike pence because it is quite disingenuous. >> break it down. >> look, i encourage people to read the opinions, the
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concurring opinions and dissents opinions, and they all continue to come back to the equal protection clause and in plessy v. ferguson, there's a dissenting opinion of justice harlan and justice thomas cites it today. it has been cited over the course of literally going back to at least the '80s, even longer, about the fact that oh, our constitution was meant to be color blind. justice jackson adequately expounds upon in her dissenting opinion, america has never opinion color blind and the race-based discrimination that has been embedded into the frankly, the fabric of our country from the beginning, that is not something that can just be undone with the flick of a pen because the supreme court says so. the idea that the constitution is color blind, therefore there should be no race conscious decision making that should be
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available to the united states government or entities that take public funds, i think it's something that should concern us veaps that currently exist between white people and non-white people in this country. there are gaps between white folks and black folks, white folks and latino folks, white folks and indigenous people, and that is just a fact. it is a dangerous place i think for us to be where someone is debating that. they're asking folks not to color, so i don't exist, i'm a black woman, one word. >> symone sanders townsend, we appreciate you being available to talk to us about this. thank you. former vice president mike pence speaking to nbc news during a surprise trip to ukraine. what he's saying about the bomb shell affirmative action decision next. b shell affirmative action decision next. ♪ tourists tourists that turn into scientists. tourists taking photos that are analyzed by ai.
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more political reaction to the supreme court's decision to overturn affirmative action in college decisions. former vice president and current 2024 candidate mike pence made a surprise visit to ukraine today meeting with president volodymyr zelenskyy. he reacted to this breaking news at home on the supreme court's decision. so let's bring in the person you see here on that screen. nbc's dasha burns who's in kyiv covering mike pence's visit. basil smikle back with us,
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former director of the new york state democratic party and nbc's vaughn hillyard joins me at the table, you just spoke to the former vp, what did he tell you? >> reporter: while ukraine has become somewhat of a wedge issue in the republican party and mike pence's position on the war in ukraine is somewhat unique, his position on affirmative action, not so much in the republican party, largely echoing what we are hearing from those in the party and other candidates as well. we asked them about his reaction. take a listen to what he said. >> i'm grateful to see the conservative majority that we helped build on the supreme court of the united states bring an end to most of affirmative action. look, we want to live in a color blind society, and there may have been a time 50 years ago we we needed to affirmatively take steps to correct long-term
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racial bias in institutions of higher education but i can tell you as the father of three college graduates, those days are long over. and i'm grateful today that the supreme court took us one step back to that america that will judge every man and woman on the content of their character and on their own achievement, and leave race out of consideration of admissions to higher education. >> you heard him say they're grateful that the supreme court took the country one step back. that is largely the tone that we have been hearing on cultural issues from republican candidates on the campaign trail. the culture war issues coming up time and time again with largely the same positions, the same tone, it is on the issue of ukraine that pence has staked out sort of his own foothold here, but it is these cultural
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issues become hammered by republicans. >> one step back and many meetings. >> pence's comments were really offensive to me to say that while this was true 50 years ago, but not right now. i mean, i just can't understand how somebody in their right mind would say that, but it just indicates that power and privilege reproduce themselves very well, and the people who benefit from that will go to any lengths to try to maintain it. and so, you know, what's going to be important now is to really think about the places and the opportunities in which this power and privilege get reproduced. again, it's not just at the point where students apply to college. think about how segregated we are in this country, how we segregate ourselves in terms of housing, how school districts even in new york, is highly segregated because people pay
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for the exclusivity. we're going to be in a place where race matters a whole heck of a lot and continues to in the foreseeable future. i imagine that the first people who said we were in a post racial society after barack obama was elected are the same folks continuing to push this myth that we don't need to be able to have to consider race in all that we do in this country, ever present. >> you mentioned housing education, julia ainsley mentioned medical care and medical outcomes, disparate for different races. what are we hearing from the other candidates about this. >> the courts, eight years ago, republicans were competing against one another in a general election. donald trump saying if you want conservatives on the court, vote for me, as a republican, even if there's elements of my character you don't like. he was able to put three conservatives on the supreme court, which were paramount to the decision that came today. that is why you see the super pac sporting him, putting out a
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statement which president donald trump made the decision to end the process, and also mike pence quote there to dasha was significant, i'm grateful to see the conservative majority that we have built on the supreme court. you know, inherently, our united states supreme court is now attached to our politics and the campaign of this year. and that is where you have seen these republicans line up in support of the supreme court's decision today. take a look at ron desantis's statement in which he says, quote, college admissions should be based on merit, and applicants should not be judged on their race or ethnicity. the supreme court has correctly up held constitution and ended discrimination by colleges and universities. donald trump, his own statement saying quote, this is a great day for america. people with extraordinary ability and everything else necessary for success, including greatness for our country are finally being rewarded. i want to note that donald trump, the leading candidate on the republican side right now actually back in 2015 in an
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interview with our own chuck todd on "meet the press," his quote at the time was i'm fine with affirmative action. of course, donald trump 2015, donald trump today, they're in very different places, and donald trump is much more reflective of the rest of the republican field. >> if we can pull up the statements that vaughn was reading from, and one of desantis's, i'll paraphrase part of it, you know, college admissions should be based on merit, and applicants should not be judged on race and ethnicity. at face value, a lot of people would agree with that. there's nuance that's not in that statement. what nuance would you point people to? >> part of the nuance is exactly what ron desantis is doing but taking all of these -- by banning certain books, taking certain curriculum out of the classroom, by using local school board elections to sort of influence the outcomes and who sits and makes those decisions about curriculum on the local school boards. what he's doing is setting the
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stage to basically not have people of color see themselves in education. that impacts college, high school to college transition, college-to-career transition. my fear is that like minded governors across the country would use the supreme court decision as an opportunity to stamp out anything related to diversity, equity and inclusion in multiple aspects of government at every level of government. so while there may be some that look at this, and say, yeah, race shouldn't matter, but the truth of the matter is the entire history of this country has been based on the fact that for many race does matter, and they've acted in accordance with that. so how do you undo that? how do you unravel that? how do you actually try to compensate, if you will, not financially, but how do you
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compensate communities of color for the fact that so much has been done to exclude them for the history of this nation. and if you are -- if you don't understand that, if you don't embrace that, then, yeah, what you see ron desantis say, you will accept at face value. the truth is it doesn't exist. it's a fallacy. >> dasha, going back to your exclusive interview, you had mentioned that pence is trying to carve out something there in ukraine. what message does he hope this trip will send to other contenders and voters? >> look, what i saw on the ground here and in and around kyiv was a collision of the 2024 campaign and the war in ukraine. former vice president mike pence was the first and might be the only gop republican presidential candidate coming to this country. look, there was a time when there would be a pretty
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unanimous perspective opinion position from the republican party on what to do and how to support this country in this war. that is not the case right now. you've got former president trump who has consistently during his administration and beyond, even in recent months, defended, praised putin and russia. you have florida governor ron desantis who has called this a territorial dispute, he's walked it back, called putin a war criminal but certainly does not believe that the u.s. should play a significant role in this conflict. but what pence has done is not only voiced his support for ukraine, but he has traveled here, came here, spent the entire day touring kyiv and the surrounding regions that would occupy and ravage by russia, and came here to send a strong message that he believes it is critical that the u.s. support ukraine here financially,
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support by sending weapons, short and long-term, and that is somewhat a unique position in the republican party right now. and i asked him about that. take a listen to what he told me. the majority of republican voters are less likely to support a candidate that is in support of funding for ukraine. so this is not likely to be a campaign stop, so to speak, that is particularly fruitful for you with the gop voters you're trying to court. so why are you here? >> i'm here because it's important that the american people understand. the progress that we've made and how support for the ukrainian military has been in our national interest. i truly do believe that now more than ever we need leaders in our country who will articulate the importance of american leadership in the world. i mean, honestly, ever since we left office, it seems like the
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world's become more dangerous by the day, and for my part, i'm always going to step forward and speak the truth to the american people. we'll let the polls and the politics take care of themsees, important to be here. >> reporter: i also asked him about former president trump's comments that he could end the war in 24 hours, and pence said that this is not going to be something that is done with any sort of appeasement or deal but requires long-term support and that the ukrainians can fight this war as they need to. >> dasha burns, vaughn hillyard, basil smikle, thank you. we'll continue to follow the breaking news from the supreme court but we're also tracking other news, including the travel nightmare at airports across the country. americans left scrambling, just trying to get away for the holiday weekend, after thousands of flight delays and cancellations. so why does this keep happening? we're live at one of the nation's busiest airports, next. e nation's busiest airports, next. ♪ jaycee tried gain flings for the first time
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curfews are in effect in cities across france as protesters and police clash for a third straight day after the fatal police shooting of a 17-year-old boy. the officer who fired the shot has been detained on charges of voluntary homicide according to french prosecutors. but it remains to be seen whether that will quell, what you see on your screen, violent, unrest that has spread across france, with protesters setting fire to cars, vandalizing public
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buildings, 40,000 officers have been deployed nationwide, a major increase from yesterday, about 180 protesters were arrested, authorities say. well, today, u.s. airports are facing one of the busiest travel days of the year ahead of the fourth of july holiday. but airlines are already in scramble mode, just to catch up after a week of backlog and chaos. lines of people just stranded, lost bags, snaking through terminals nationwide, and frustration has been boiling over for travelers who say they didn't get adequate customer service. a major airline is blaming the faa, the faa and department of transportation are blaming recent storms. most of the extreme weather we saw earlier this week has subsided, a deadly record shattering heat wave is scorching the south, already responsible for 13 deaths. here with me now is george
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solis, and nbc meteorologist bill karins. george, first to you, what's the latest. >> reporter:? >> things better than yelled, obviously this is not the peak of it. tomorrow's tsa expecting to screen a record number of people, about 2.82 million, record breaking numbers. aaa is saying more than 50 million people expected to travel through the holiday weekend. that is going to be a record. frustrations are only going to build. we know the wild card in all of this is the weather. you have the smoke from the canadian wildfires that's impacting flights and you have any rampant weather that may pop up here and there that's already caused a number of headaches for a number of travelers. here at newark, united having issues with delays and cancellations. i talked to a number of travelers who say we had to get out. we didn't want to stay at the airport. they are sight seeing in the city as opposed to sleeping here, waiting for the next flight. it's not united. talked to a gentleman who was in europe and aboard a delta flight who went through trials and
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tribulations, trying to get home, on his last leg from newark to union city, new jersey. take a listen to what he told me. >> thinking everything is going to be fine, once i got to minneapolis, downhill. with the help desk for three hours, back and forth. i never experienced this in my 38 years of living. never experienced this flying. >> the good news here so far, according to the faa, no ground stops, obviously a very fluid situation, so if you are able to look at your phone apps, make sure your flights aren't delayed or rerouted, making sure you travel light, your ticket is right on your phone, if you have precheck, if that's listed on there. all of these tips and tricks to make sure you get from point a to point b through the airport just in case there are some delays and cancellations, but again, the wild card here is the weather, and so people are delayed because of that, a lot of them, unfortunately, will have to strap in, because this
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is looking to be a very chaotic travel period. we know it's going to break numbers. >> if somebody is at an airport saying i've never experienced this in my 38 years, it's usually not a good thing. bill, any other weather concerns affecting travel? >> thunderstorms until the vicinity, so all of the really rough storms moving through the midwest, we have 100,000 people that have lost power today. this line of storms, becoming a deratio, from missouri to illinois, heading to indiana and southern indiana in the next couple of hours. we'll be tracking that. here's a closer view of the storms. look at the lightning. next up will be lafayette, bloomington, we'll wait and see if it gets to indianapolis or weakens by the time it gets there. not the east coast, not the big cities like we were earlier in the week. >> let's talk about the heat. life threatening heat we're
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talking about. >> yeah, we have been talking about, you know, eleven deaths reported. i'm sure there will be more in the days ahead when they add it all up. the heat has shifted, text is getting a little more of a break now. now the worst of it is really from like louisiana northwards up into arkansas. 113. it feels like in new orleans right now. this is an incredible stretch for you. 107 in shreveport. these temperatures are in the shade, dallas 103. tulsa 103. this is the actual temperature, not with the heat index. and tomorrow, nashville, 101. northern alabama is going to get into the hundreds, and a lot of people are saying, how are we going to do this as we go into the weekend and towards the 4th. temperatures are going to begin to subside a little bit. atlanta, the low 90s. so it's not like it's over. but at least it's going to go back to what we expect for a hot summer day. >> all right. bill karins, and george solis, thank you both so much. a frightening moment on a charlotte-bound delta flight
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yesterday, the plane was forced to make an emergency landing when the nose gear failed to extend. made for a nail biting final approach there with passengers actually bracing for impact. the plane was carrying 96 people, three flight attendants also two pilots. no injuries were reported. >> he didn't want to land, and that was the first sign of, oh, something must be pretty wrong. >> we didn't know why we were just circling the airport and the pilot let us know the wheels up under the nose weren't coming down. >> delta air lines described what happened as a rare occurrence, apologizing to the passengers for what they experienced. how lawmakers are now reacting to the massive supreme court decision just handed down. we'll be right back. court decis. we'll be right back.
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we're seeing republicans echo the sentiment from kevin mccarthy, and then of course on the democratic side, we're beginning to hear more of the outrage. for example, i'm looking at three powerful caucus and committee chair people releasing this statement, for example, saying today's decision deals a needless blow in their words to america's promise of equal and fair opportunity. the leaders of the asian pacific american caucus, congressional black caucus, and hispanic caucus say casting aside decades of precedent, the court's antiopportunity majority further undermines its own legitimacy by gutting race conscious university decisions which will benefit the wealthy. that is democratic leaders saying that in response to the supreme court decision. i think what's going to be fascinating, if we take it out of the immediate reaction from republicans and democrats is watching the ways in which decisions like this one in addition to dobbs and others that democrats have been rallying against, a, how they're
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used politically on the campaign trail in the upcoming election a year from now, and the ways they are used to bolster the need for supreme court ethics reform, that's something we were seeing senate judiciary democrats focusing on in light of the reports about clarence thomas, and samuel alito taking and not disclosing donations, flights, trips from key republican donors who had business in front of the court. amid all of that, we saw an urgency from congress to try to do something on the reform front. now you have to imagine that seeing rulings will further motivate democrats and i imagine that's the way we're going to see this next talked about on capitol hill. >> thank you for that reporting. that does it for this hour. tune into "chris jansing reports" every weekday from 1 to 3:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" after the break. "katy tur reports" after the break. we carry that spirit with us.
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good to be with you. i'm katy tur. so what happens now? president biden said discrimination still exists in america. he repeated it three times. and he said that despite the supreme court's decision, striking down one of the major tools created to fight against that discrimination. that schools should find another way. a new standard, he said, consider adversity, financial means or lack thereof. location, family history. a alongside the expe

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